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	<title>Comments on: SCIENCE HAS LEFT THE BUILDING</title>
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	<description>Promoting Sustainable Energy Solutions</description>
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		<title>By: William H Fitch III</title>
		<link>http://www.nesea.org/blog/2009/03/science-has-left-the-building/comment-page-1/#comment-153</link>
		<dc:creator>William H Fitch III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 23:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chris:

Like the article title....

I think Science is only ever looked at by the &quot;world at large&quot; if it is making someone money and they can push it into the front row for a few brief moments...
It still carries with it, though not vocalized as much as in days past, a negative social connotation for those who indulge in it to much.... the whole geek thing etc...

If someone could just find that &quot;golden&quot; marketing angle that would make all of RE &quot;COOL&quot; and &quot;SEXY&quot; without implying penny pinching, the whole planet would explode with it...

.....Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris:</p>
<p>Like the article title&#8230;.</p>
<p>I think Science is only ever looked at by the &#8220;world at large&#8221; if it is making someone money and they can push it into the front row for a few brief moments&#8230;<br />
It still carries with it, though not vocalized as much as in days past, a negative social connotation for those who indulge in it to much&#8230;. the whole geek thing etc&#8230;</p>
<p>If someone could just find that &#8220;golden&#8221; marketing angle that would make all of RE &#8220;COOL&#8221; and &#8220;SEXY&#8221; without implying penny pinching, the whole planet would explode with it&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;..Bill</p>
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		<title>By: TURU ILLGEN</title>
		<link>http://www.nesea.org/blog/2009/03/science-has-left-the-building/comment-page-1/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>TURU ILLGEN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 14:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, on behalf of so many of us, for being vocal.  The innovative work of Chris and Henry has inspired me, as it is a continuous struggle in the city to focus on important sustainability issues.  
As an architect I lament the division between engineering and design, similar in pattern to the divergence of the various organizations promoting ecological principles.

While working to earn a living, and testing to gain a license, my motivation persisted to infuse more green building methods into the daily grind.  Although I have been lightly involved in the USGBC for a while, most of my smaller projects did not seem to &#039;fit&#039;, fostering a sense of alienation in the movement.  I must admit that I ignorantly perceived the LEED system as another professional competitive bar more than an encouraging welcome.  It just reeks of exclusivity, when we need collaboration the most.

Now that I finally manage to dedicate some time to test to be LEED AP accredited, I have been very disappointed to learn of the shortcomings of the point system.  What a rude awakening to see that the test itself seems to promote trivial memorization over actual experience, talent or design integrity.  I suppose the AP title is merely a tool for recruits, still too expensive and esoteric for those that aren&#039;t already fortunate enough to have signed on to the big corporate game.

So the NESEA forum was a welcome call to action.
Because this is not only about maintaining sound methods, it is also about the definition of our careers and stewardship of the profession.

.Turu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, on behalf of so many of us, for being vocal.  The innovative work of Chris and Henry has inspired me, as it is a continuous struggle in the city to focus on important sustainability issues.<br />
As an architect I lament the division between engineering and design, similar in pattern to the divergence of the various organizations promoting ecological principles.</p>
<p>While working to earn a living, and testing to gain a license, my motivation persisted to infuse more green building methods into the daily grind.  Although I have been lightly involved in the USGBC for a while, most of my smaller projects did not seem to &#8216;fit&#8217;, fostering a sense of alienation in the movement.  I must admit that I ignorantly perceived the LEED system as another professional competitive bar more than an encouraging welcome.  It just reeks of exclusivity, when we need collaboration the most.</p>
<p>Now that I finally manage to dedicate some time to test to be LEED AP accredited, I have been very disappointed to learn of the shortcomings of the point system.  What a rude awakening to see that the test itself seems to promote trivial memorization over actual experience, talent or design integrity.  I suppose the AP title is merely a tool for recruits, still too expensive and esoteric for those that aren&#8217;t already fortunate enough to have signed on to the big corporate game.</p>
<p>So the NESEA forum was a welcome call to action.<br />
Because this is not only about maintaining sound methods, it is also about the definition of our careers and stewardship of the profession.</p>
<p>.Turu.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Gordes</title>
		<link>http://www.nesea.org/blog/2009/03/science-has-left-the-building/comment-page-1/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Gordes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Chris, and I will certainly be at what will certainly be one of our more exciting forums on the evening of the 10th.  Having read Henry&#039;s paper as well as the LEED publication I anticipate this will be a high level discussion and hope that it will lead to whatever modifications to LEED that are required to make it into a truly credible standard---actual performance figures after one or more years of operation is certainly something that ought to be considered as proof of credibility.  Finally, your comment on &quot;ECBM has been used to justify 100% glass facades in buildings.&quot; really strikes home with me as it seems that sometimes I am alone in thinking that these &quot;glass palaces&quot; we constantly see as LEED certified buildings appear to violate some very basic principles of design whether it be for skin-driven or load-driven buildings. Hopefully the forum may also address some of this as well. Thanks for your hard work on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Chris, and I will certainly be at what will certainly be one of our more exciting forums on the evening of the 10th.  Having read Henry&#8217;s paper as well as the LEED publication I anticipate this will be a high level discussion and hope that it will lead to whatever modifications to LEED that are required to make it into a truly credible standard&#8212;actual performance figures after one or more years of operation is certainly something that ought to be considered as proof of credibility.  Finally, your comment on &#8220;ECBM has been used to justify 100% glass facades in buildings.&#8221; really strikes home with me as it seems that sometimes I am alone in thinking that these &#8220;glass palaces&#8221; we constantly see as LEED certified buildings appear to violate some very basic principles of design whether it be for skin-driven or load-driven buildings. Hopefully the forum may also address some of this as well. Thanks for your hard work on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Sick</title>
		<link>http://www.nesea.org/blog/2009/03/science-has-left-the-building/comment-page-1/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Sick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 04:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This should be the educational experience of a lifetime.  Hopefully the truth of the numbers finally gets to the mainstream.  Any chance that you will pod cast the meeting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This should be the educational experience of a lifetime.  Hopefully the truth of the numbers finally gets to the mainstream.  Any chance that you will pod cast the meeting?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Stillinger</title>
		<link>http://www.nesea.org/blog/2009/03/science-has-left-the-building/comment-page-1/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Stillinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 23:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Building performance isn&#039;t my field, but I will definitely be present Tuesday evening next week in Boston for this pre-conference public forum. We all need to witness, support, enable, encourage truth and integrity whenever we are able.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Building performance isn&#8217;t my field, but I will definitely be present Tuesday evening next week in Boston for this pre-conference public forum. We all need to witness, support, enable, encourage truth and integrity whenever we are able.</p>
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		<title>By: David Foley</title>
		<link>http://www.nesea.org/blog/2009/03/science-has-left-the-building/comment-page-1/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>David Foley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very thoughtful post, Chris - thank you.  At the very least, we must work hard to ensure that building codes allow performance-based compliance as an alternative to prescription-based.  And by all means, let&#039;s work hard to force energy codes to take air-barriers and their measured performance into consideration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very thoughtful post, Chris &#8211; thank you.  At the very least, we must work hard to ensure that building codes allow performance-based compliance as an alternative to prescription-based.  And by all means, let&#8217;s work hard to force energy codes to take air-barriers and their measured performance into consideration.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.nesea.org/blog/2009/03/science-has-left-the-building/comment-page-1/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post!  Viva NESEA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post!  Viva NESEA!</p>
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